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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Oct 27, 2017 14:12:32 GMT -6
Ever notice something in BoS: Bw2 that just seems... off? No, not esrever-related, just straight up strange. Something like this coffee table: Seriously, what the hell is that?! Why?! For the love of- WHY?! Who would even make that?! I can see an eccentric fellow like Jeff purchasing it, but... two toilet bowls facing each other under glass? Filled with... I don't even know... sea-s--t? As ghostprints mentioned below, perhaps there are more strange sights to be seen within this gem and we all notice something different. Post your finds here.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Oct 27, 2017 15:09:22 GMT -6
Ever notice the metal hanger things on the back of Kim's coat? You see them twice. Once when she jumps up from the table to look out the window for Erica. Then again later right after she finds the file folders. Too much trouble to remove those wardrobe hangers for those scenes I guess. Actually, I think those are intentional for her attire, perhaps implying she is a little bit punk as well as goth. You see them any time her back is turned to the camera without her coat on, no matter how brief. They are just so thin that it is hard to pick up on them in her dark clothing sometimes. They look like large safety pins.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Oct 27, 2017 15:50:43 GMT -6
It might have been one of those things where they just weren't sure if they wanted them in or not, as it is no secret that the script and ideas seemed to change on a daily basis while filming. Scenes from filming sessions on both ends may have been used and that is why we see it sometimes and sometimes not. The best chances we could get a view of them, when Kim is reaching for another miniDV for Jeff and when she returns from her beer run and goes to sit on the couch, they are not there. However, they just feel too designed when we do see them for them to be a screw-up that happens again and again, and they're in more scenes with her back to the camera than they're not.
The other obvious reason for their removal was that they were too uncomfortable/bothersome for the actress to wear throughout the entirety of filming.
I like the part in the first draft script where Stephen also mentions that the markings look like recent graffiti (vandalism), because he then sweeps his palm over them, removing most and just leaving a smudge behind, proving his theory.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Oct 27, 2017 16:07:55 GMT -6
In addition to the two scenes already mentioned there are at least two others that I recall: -When Cravens calls, asking Jeff to watch 'News at 11' and Kim turns on the TV, also in the following scenes from that but that makes sense. -When the gang is smoking pot and Jeff tells them none of them are leaving his sight. Also in same following scenes.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Oct 28, 2017 14:50:15 GMT -6
It was a sweet party pad though.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 19:53:18 GMT -6
There's no way a piece of a modern car could find it's way out in the middle of the black hills miles away from a road on the Parr ruins.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 20:03:18 GMT -6
Jeff is buying bread and junk food and cans of green vegetables. They never eat anything while camping and there's no indication they even took anything except for beer out there. Was he just getting his list done before heading out?
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 15, 2017 20:38:22 GMT -6
...and there's no indication they even took anything except for beer out there. And, when they're all hiking to the ruins, you don't see any of them really carrying any beer, yet Kim is lugging a case of Moosehead (that's way too big to have fit in any of their backpacks) around the foundation later on.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 20:49:11 GMT -6
...and there's no indication they even took anything except for beer out there. And, when they're all hiking to the ruins, you don't see any of them really carrying any beer, yet Kim is lugging a case of Moosehead (that's way too big to have fit in any of their backpacks) around the foundation later on. No, she's lugging two of them. And what's worse? No ice or coolers. They drank all of it warm.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 21:02:26 GMT -6
They're all doing the ceremony thing. There is no one else who can be holding the camera. You'd think this would come up during the trial. Nice zoom in while everyone else is off murdering. There's no one else there!!! Who's doing the camera work?
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 15, 2017 21:12:05 GMT -6
Hell, like I had asked in another post, where did the bag-o-knives come from?! Who lit all those damn candles and who brought 'em? There's no one else there!!! Who's doing the camera work? I was gonna go with the owl until I remembered Tristen was also filmed dancing around with its body... ... so I'll just say it was the evil filming everything after that. (I also love how we (the audience) are supposed to take everything we see outside of the tapes with a huge grain of salt... until after they are arrested- then we are supposed to believe everything we see)
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 15, 2017 21:24:44 GMT -6
BHH. VIDEO NEVER LIES. FILM DOES THOUGH. "Because if people believe something enough, isn't it real? Perception is reality." Also... you're now being a monomaniacal reductionist.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 21:27:53 GMT -6
Who spends that much at a gas station? And those goldfish crackers either say 2000 or zoop. If it's 2000, that's an obvious error since 2000 hasn't happened yet. The movie, however, was filmed in early 2000 near spring time.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 21:55:48 GMT -6
This does not turn into finely shredded paper on it's own. And if you look closely you can already see shredded paper all over the ground. The paper is obviously shredded not ripped apart.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 21:56:49 GMT -6
Jeff was looking up her skirt.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 15, 2017 22:08:33 GMT -6
Had your tapes slapped together over at Montgomery college. Did you now? You've had him in custody for what, an hour at most? Wouldn't that be illegal for you to take video tapes and have them tampered with immediately without, I'm assuming, even booking him or charging him with a crime yet? Those tapes are now not admissible in court you jackass. You arrested them, you haven't even charged them yet and you're presenting evidence? No judge would permit this. Do cop work better next time. Burkittsville had Cravens and one deputy. Where'd these guys come from? Burkitt county got a budget increase I guess.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 15, 2017 22:43:57 GMT -6
How am I being a mono-maniacal reductionist? Bhh, what exactly are you so disagreeable about? The main plot? I already have it figured out. I had it figured out over a year ago. But it took me like 16 years. Everything except for what the real evil is but we've already agreed that it's just an ancient evil of the forest using Elly Kedward's tale. But still, I know I'm right. But please list your problems but with paragraphs this time.Oh.. and I already told you that the knives and the candles and the skull are all part of Erica's chant toys she brought along with her. Okay. My problem with the main plot is the holes and contradictions. My problem with your version of the plot is simply that I hold a different view. -The idea behind believing film (their tapes) over video (everything else we see) is interesting, but it is a shoddy plot device because it was not used at the very beginning (and I mean opening scenes with the group in the van) nor at the very end (and, to an extent, I can understand that because they wanted us to understand what was going on, but still shoddy). This logic is even used in the draft script but it still contradicts itself. Aside from the oak (which plays into hysteria) and the guy working on the cooler who looks a smidgen like Rustin Parr (he's even credited as being Rustin Parr), we see nothing truly odd going on until after the tour group wakes up the next morning. That is when we are supposed to start questioning the film's lies and wondering what happened in those lost five hours. And, again, as I have mentioned a few times, we are suddenly supposed to believe all we are seeing on film once the group is arrested. If it was hysteria, that's not how it works. It if was the witch/evil, why the hell would it suddenly just stop messing with them at that point?! -The idea of history (the witch/evil and a curse of some sort being real) vs. hysteria (don't believe video because it lies) is usually seen as hysteria taking the cake overall. In order for hysteria to actually occur there has to be some sort of fear or psychological stress to trigger it; it doesn't just happen out of the blue. There is always a patient zero for these things as well. We never get group hysteria all of the sudden; it grows, spreading from one to others. The 'history' all starts with that tree in the Parr house foundation. Our group of protagonists all saw the huge oak right away, even scoffing at Jeff when he tried to tell them it was never there before. No fear, no stress, they were all having a good time before that. Later on in the tape (the truth), it shows a small twig of a tree there and not the huge oak. Something is messing with them, and it could be altering the tapes as well. Speaking of those... -The tapes. We have pointed out numerous instances in which this device is improperly used. These are supposed to be our only truth and lead us to decide that hysteria is what has overtaken the group. However, we see snippets of footage intersected into one another, blips of images that occur between stints of static, shots of the other tour group, gutted on Coffin Rock from a high angle. Who would edit that? Who would film the murder scene or set the camera up for it? You can't say it's hysteria because the tapes are supposed to never lie. -The files. These scream that there is something else at work in the film. Not only do we see them when Kim discovers them (which could be argued as hysteria), but yet again during the interrogation scenes (which we are supposed to believe). The detective tells Stephen they've been looking into his background just before they fling his folder at him, and inside is the exact same pictures and documents we see from the file at Jeff's house. They are the same folders. Hysteria can't predict something like that so precisely. Now, it can be counter-argued that Jeff put them together (it points to that conclusion in the dossier, citing his handwriting is all over them), but seriously? He put this group together in less than a month (dossier dates cite conversation with various group members around mid-September) and they are the ones who signed up; he didn't seek them out. Jeff's no sleuth, and even a veteran detective would take months to get all the information and (hard-copy) pictures he had of all of them. (btw, those files read the actors' real names, possibly when the script called for the use of them just like in the first film) -Jeff's quote. The oft-used quote to cement what is happening in the film, spoken by Jeff as he hits on Kim: "Video never lies, Kim. Film does, though." Wholly overused when it contradicts itself (and, we supposed to believe in a quote by someone who we are constantly reminded is schizophrenic?). Why take what one character says at face value but ignore what could be an equally true statement from another? I'll keep quoting Tristen in the same camp scene because what she says holds just as much ground as far as I'm concerned: "Perception is reality." Their perception is our reality. There are likely other things that I am forgetting, but these five are a pretty good start.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 16, 2017 0:51:02 GMT -6
First off, the whole hysteria angle is false. Agree. Do you believe the Blair Witch Walk gutted themselves? Err, never stated that. I fully believe that the Hunt killed the Walk under the influence of the evil. I also believe that Jeff killed Erica, Kim killed Peggy and Stephen (obviously) killed Tristen, again all under the influence of the evil. Of course the evil messed with the tapes a little bit here and there! But it MOSTLY messed with all their minds from the foundation arrival onward. Again, I agree. I suppose we may be on different levels with the term 'messed with' though. By 'messed with' I imagined that the evil was not allowing them to remember certain events (the lost hours, the following murders) as well as triggering visions and sounds, making the group hostile towards one another, etc. However, I viewed most of what we saw (outside of the tapes, and things that clearly were not visions- i.e. Jeff frying, Treacle, Erica's ghost, etc.) as having actually happened to our group. They were marked up, the bridge did collapse, the files were there. For the sake of argument, I believe Kim killed Peggy after her confrontation, but the evil had altered the footage. The files were placed there in their minds for them to find. OMG. Do I have to explain literally everything? So was the bridge collapse. It only happened in their minds. Uh, that would be hysteria then. Not buying it. Furthermore, I already explained how the file thing would be impossible no matter how you try to spin it. You really need to start experiencing this whole thing from a new angle, because if you never decide to it's going to drive you batty. It's not, actually. Just as you feel confident and fine with your conclusion of events, I do with mine. And Jeff's little off handed quote is actually the key to understanding the whole movie. It would be if they hand't left in so many contradictions to it. Yet they did, so it is no longer an acceptable catch-all. Again, hysteria is bull. And so is Tristen's quote "perception is reality". Both she and her boyfriend were both proven to be full of s h i t. How were they proven to be f.o.s.? And Jeff wasn't f.o.s. somehow? The ghost of Eileen Treacle warned both Tristen and Stephen from her own grave which they had both stood at while Kim literally lounged upon it. YOU BROUGHT IT BACK WITH YOU ! And? Erica said the same thing when Kim came to check on her before going on a beer run. I'm not arguing that they brought the evil back with them. That is clearly obvious. What I'm arguing is what they experienced versus what we are to believe.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 16, 2017 16:56:10 GMT -6
Jeff's 1986 Dodge Ram Van is the same kind used in films like groundhog day and scary movie. Home alone. Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. Scooby doo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 18:05:38 GMT -6
Fixed.
And here's another strange thing: Kim kept telling Jeff that she f***** up his front fender. When really she should have been saying she f***** up his front bumper.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 16, 2017 18:18:10 GMT -6
Newly growing foliage in November.
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Post by Tweek on Nov 16, 2017 18:35:43 GMT -6
Those vans are pretty common. Probably why they used it.
I never noticed the toy dog on the dash before. Hidden meaning?
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Nov 16, 2017 18:40:08 GMT -6
There was a Rustin Parr Halloween mask. One guy bought it.
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 16, 2017 18:50:17 GMT -6
There was a Rustin Parr Halloween mask. One guy bought it. Kinda looks like Edgar Allan Poe grew a full mustache, left his scruff and continued to be just as utterly depressed as he always was...
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Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 16, 2017 18:53:58 GMT -6
Jeff was looking up her skirt. "Children... looking up my skirt as I twirled round and round. So I hurt them."
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