I agree with a lot of your viewpoints, but others I don't and never will. Sorry.
No need to apologize. I have fun defending/explaining my viewpoints on certain things (not in a malicious way, obviously), so even if you don't see eye to eye with me on some of them, I'm just glad to get a good back and forth going so different ideas can be tossed around.
And the reason she was chanting or praying to Persephone was because the wiccan who was consulted for the film wrote the chant for that scene but was not completely aware of the full context of the situation when she wrote it. I know this because I read an article about it once where the film's wiccan consultant admitted that.
Ah, yes. Now that you mention it, I, too, remember reading something like this. Only, I likely read it on this message board, haha.
While we have differing viewpoints on why Erica was chanting at the house, I still find it inexhaustibly enjoyable to have these types of discussions. Consultant aside, and going with what we got, Persephone still seems like a rather odd choice (especially considering Erica must have come to the conclusion that it wasn't nature doing this to them by that point, especially when she reasoned that the ancient pagan alphabet appearing on their bodies meant they'd been touched by a witch). Regardless, I commend you (and kgt) on your efforts to rationalize it within the story.
Post by agentsamstanley on Sept 21, 2017 13:44:33 GMT -6
Weird that Berlinger and Dick Beebe didn't explain the full context of the scene so the consultant could come up with something that would make more sense. But I guess in the end the details don't matter, I think what we're supposed to see in that scene is that Erica knows something is terribly wrong (the markings and the sense something is choking her) so she's chanting for some kind of protection.
I meant seeking help from Persephone to bring back a natural balance.
Let's face it, to Erica Nature is paramount. And whatever is happening to all of them is not a part of natural Nature.
So pleading for help to restore that natural balance doesn't seem so terribly strange to me.
Interesting perspective, honestly. I had written a little counter, but no need to, really. We already established this part of the story was written poorly due to bad communication with the Wiccan consultant, so I won't keep dragging it out.
Post by agentsamstanley on Oct 18, 2017 15:26:27 GMT -6
Thanks a lot for your kind words prints. Re Joe Berlinger being proud, I was able to show him the Intro Comparison video on Twitter and he said it was pretty close from what he did in his cut.
Yeah, I did some color correction on my cut and my source video was HD, that's why there's so much difference in clarity. But I'm very happy you enjoyed it so much Is it very different from what you did in yours?
Post by agentsamstanley on Oct 18, 2017 22:50:42 GMT -6
Tell me about it. I've made 4 fanedits so far and BW2 was the hardest one. It's a very difficult film to re edit. But after a lot of work I'm finally satisfied with it. And the fact that other fans are enjoying it makes the whole thing worthwhile.
But still, I'm curious to know what you considered to be "crap"
Post by BlackHillsHermit on Nov 9, 2017 15:48:42 GMT -6
Much like the Ghost Edition, I applaud your efforts to remove most of the asylum scenes. They were simply tacky and not needed. There are plenty of references to Jeff's past without the need of those scenes.Similar feeling to the removal of the gore scenes depicting the demise of the other tour group. There is more than enough left in for us to know they're dead and something really bad made it happen. Furthermore, I really enjoyed the inserted title cards that tell Jeff's backstory to the audience. It was a nice touch that really added to the character the feeling of unease about him.
Random note: Even though Berlinger preferred Frank Sinatra's 'Witchcraft', I always thought Donovan's 'Season of the Witch' would have worked on the same level and definitely would have set an odd air of confusion even better.
Shifting the scene where Tristen tells Stephen about her dream where she hurt the baby to just before he and Erica have their fantasy make-out is a well-placed move, as it works well on many levels. He just found out some devastating news, it may have tarnished his love for his girlfriend somewhat and it is an opportune time for Erica to make her move when the damage is still fresh.
The end segment, the interrogation scenes, were all spliced together perfectly; it felt smooth, flawless and just like it should have. I didn't think they could all be spliced together in a seamless way, but you certainly did it. Bravo!
Interestingly enough, I'm not a huge fan of the color correction. It's not that it doesn't look good, cause it really does overall, but an unfortunate consequence of it is that it makes (almost) everyone look like they have a Donald Trump tan. In Kim's case, it just looks like she decided to forego the white makeup (until you see how red her hands are). I was under the assumption that I would get used to it after about 10-20 minutes, but it just kept appearing comical throughout and somewhat distracting as a result. This is likely just me, though.
Overall I think your cut is fantastic and, to echo ghostprints' words, a cut worthy of the director's vision (I'm a little sad about the removal of Haunted from the end credits, but still fantastic all in all).
I took a little journey to the unknown, And I come back changed, I can feel it in my bones. The truth is stranger than all my dreams, Holy darkness got a hold on me. I have seen what the darkness does, Say goodbye to who I was. Follow me into the endless night, meet me in the woods tonight. -Lord Huron