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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 17, 2017 18:42:45 GMT -6
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Post by Tweek on Aug 17, 2017 20:45:09 GMT -6
I'd settle for the theatrical version on blu ray. I doubt recutting it would improve it much.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Aug 19, 2017 19:44:45 GMT -6
I'd settle for the theatrical version on blu ray. I doubt recutting it would improve it much. I tried. It helped a little. I'm still going to release it. On September 11th. Which is appropriate. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 22, 2017 15:30:19 GMT -6
I'd settle for the theatrical version on blu ray. I doubt recutting it would improve it much. I tried. It helped a little. I'm still going to release it. On September 11th. Which is appropriate. you should not. 9/11 can only handle 1 tragedy |
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 22, 2017 16:42:06 GMT -6
Is it my impression or this is a section dedicated to BW2 full of members who don't really appreciate the film?
Anyway, it's not only a matter of recutting the film to achieve a proper DC, there is some deleted material that needs to be reincorporated. But yes, recutting the film in the proper order and getting rid of the studio nonsense does help.
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Post by Heather, taking a piss. on Aug 22, 2017 18:36:56 GMT -6
I'm really interested in rewatching the thing in Berlinger's order.
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 23, 2017 6:15:37 GMT -6
Is it my impression or this is a section dedicated to BW2 full of members who don't really appreciate the film? Anyway, it's not only a matter of recutting the film to achieve a proper DC, there is some deleted material that needs to be reincorporated. But yes, recutting the film in the proper order and getting rid of the studio nonsense does help. There's a small set of fans of BWP that absolutely love BOS and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is, BOS is a terrible film, from a story and technical perspective. It was nothing more than an overt cash grab and instead of waiting a little to make a decent film, the studio decided they knew best and BOS is what we got. I personally think the film will not be magically better due to a director's cut. People will sing its praises because they think if Berlinger somehow gets to recut the film like he wanted we'll finally see this film thats been hiding for years. |
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 23, 2017 13:33:32 GMT -6
The problem is, BOS is a terrible film, from a story and technical perspective. It was nothing more than an overt cash grab and instead of waiting a little to make a decent film, the studio decided they knew best and BOS is what we got. Are you sure that "waiting a little" would give us a better film tho? I mean Adam Wingard's Blair Witch came out many years later and look how that turned out. Easily the worst entry in the franchise. BoS at least deserves points for trying something original, the new BW is just a cheap modern rehash of the first film. That's what I call an "overt cash grab". I personally think the film will not be magically better due to a director's cut. People will sing its praises because they think if Berlinger somehow gets to recut the film like he wanted we'll finally see this film thats been hiding for years. Yep, maybe it won't be. Even Joe Berlinger says that his cut might not be necessarily better than what we got, but at least he would have his film released instead of something the studio messed up. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 23, 2017 16:41:52 GMT -6
The problem is, BOS is a terrible film, from a story and technical perspective. It was nothing more than an overt cash grab and instead of waiting a little to make a decent film, the studio decided they knew best and BOS is what we got. Are you sure that "waiting a little" would give us a better film tho? I mean Adam Wingard's Blair Witch came out many years later and look how that turned out. Easily the worst entry in the franchise. BoS at least deserves points for trying something original, the new BW is just a cheap modern rehash of the first film. That's what I call an "overt cash grab". I personally think the film will not be magically better due to a director's cut. People will sing its praises because they think if Berlinger somehow gets to recut the film like he wanted we'll finally see this film thats been hiding for years. Yep, maybe it won't be. Even Joe Berlinger says that his cut might not be necessarily better than what we got, but at least he would have his film released instead of something the studio messed up. what originality did BOS have? It was a standard film riding the coattails of a successful unconventional film. Was BW 2016 a cash grab? I doubt it, outside of a small sect of fans I didn't see anyone clamoring for it. Was it an opportunity to revisit and see what was there, yeah, a cash grab would be another BW film in the next year or two. BOS is just not a big enough film for Lionsgate to go to the vault, pull out all the material and pay Berlinger to recut the film and then distribute it on Blu-ray. I could be wrong but outside of a 2009 blu-ray release of BWP Lionsgate doesn't seem to have much interest in the property. If BWP didn't even get a new release last year, why should they do anything w/ BOS |
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 23, 2017 20:30:00 GMT -6
what originality did BOS have? It was a standard film riding the coattails of a successful unconventional film. Was BW 2016 a cash grab? I doubt it, outside of a small sect of fans I didn't see anyone clamoring for it. Was it an opportunity to revisit and see what was there, yeah, a cash grab would be another BW film in the next year or two. BOS is just not a big enough film for Lionsgate to go to the vault, pull out all the material and pay Berlinger to recut the film and then distribute it on Blu-ray. I could be wrong but outside of a 2009 blu-ray release of BWP Lionsgate doesn't seem to have much interest in the property. If BWP didn't even get a new release last year, why should they do anything w/ BOS Well, it didn't try to recreate the original film in any way, like the average sequel would (Adam Wingard's for instance). There's a discussion of the phenomenon of the first film and what made people drawn to it. The first film kind of toyed with was fiction and what was reality during its marketing so BoS tried to do something with that in the horror camp. You may think this is all bullshit, but it is different from what anyone would expect from a sequel. As for Wingard's BW, I'm sorry but I disagree, it was a pretty cheap, lazy cash in. They had a lot of time to create something original for what many people thought would be the "proper BW sequel fans deserved", but instead they gave us a modern remake of the 1999 film with a bigger cast and a God awful script full of holes. It made even less money than BoS and the vast majority of fans left the theater disappointed. I'd say Wingard's BW box office/critical failure is the reason Lionsgate doesn't want to deal with the BW films anymore. I agree that BoS is not a big enough film, but LG has the Vestron line that's specialized in B horror films and they're very attentive to fan requests. If they realize there's enough demand for it, I think they might consider it. And I can't see your logic, BoS doesn't have a chance to get a release because the original BWP didn't get a second release last year? Ok, BWP is the bigger name of the franchise, but it's not that universally loved by horror fans. Many people think it's an overrated film with terrible pacing and irritating characters and prefer the newer, more conventional found footage films we see today. In other words, I think there's no need for a new release when the film already has a proper Bluray and so many other LG horror films remain unreleased in the Blu format. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 23, 2017 22:44:38 GMT -6
Outside of BWP fandom who actually cares or mentions BOS. Who has brought it up in any mention outside of BWP. BOS just isnt a big enough film to warrant a new cut. Sure maybe some day itll get released on blu but i doubt its going to become a revered film. It has its fans but most horror fans dont care for it and if they liked it i doubt people outside of the very hardcore will pick it up
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 24, 2017 0:25:01 GMT -6
It's not a big enough film to be a priority in their release list, but I'm sure it'll get a release eventually, and a new cut might bring some fresh interest into it, and a petition full of signatures of people who are interested in seeing it might reinforce that.
If you really can't see the point or any value in the film then you're spending too much time in the wrong thread in this board.
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Post by terror93 on Aug 24, 2017 6:54:52 GMT -6
Outside of BWP fandom who actually cares or mentions BOS. Who has brought it up in any mention outside of BWP. BOS just isnt a big enough film to warrant a new cut. Sure maybe some day itll get released on blu but i doubt its going to become a revered film. It has its fans but most horror fans dont care for it and if they liked it i doubt people outside of the very hardcore will pick it up I've seen several people who actually prefer Book of Shadows over the first film. They call the first film an overrated, boring mess in which nothing happens and something about the shaky camera work making them sick. Then they usually go on to say how Book of Shadows is a huge improvement and is "actually watchable." Personally, I love both and think they're great. You can never predict what'll happen. "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" was universally reviled for a long time, but now enough time has passed that people are finally starting to warm up to it and say "Okay, it isn't THAT bad." The more time that goes by the more fans it has. All kinds of obscure movies from decades ago which everyone forgot about if they ever heard of them at all get Blu-Ray releases. Many DVD/Blu-Ray labels like Scream Factory, Kino Lorber, Synapse Films, Severin, Code Red, Arrow, etc., specialize in these kinds of releases. I don't see why Book of Shadows can't get a release if all those other movies can. I hope it does someday. It would be great if Lionsgate would give Scream Factory or someone else the rights to Blair Witch 2. They did release the Psycho remake on Blu-Ray which I think it's safe to say is equally as hated as Book of Shadows, so there's always hope. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 24, 2017 10:59:31 GMT -6
It's not a big enough film to be a priority in their release list, but I'm sure it'll get a release eventually, and a new cut might bring some fresh interest into it, and a petition full of signatures of people who are interested in seeing it might reinforce that. If you really can't see the point or any value in the film then you're spending too much time in the wrong thread in this board. just because I don't care for the film doesn't mean I can't see others points. I think the film sucks but that doesn't mean i can't spend my time discussing it in a civilzed manner. I've been invested in the Blair Witch since 99 and I devote a lot of my time doing what i can for all fans of the film regardless of what film is their favorite. I don't think any amount of signatures is going to make Lionsgate all of a sudden see that people want it. Even the petition for a longer cut of the first film is great and supportive but futile. Its just how i see it. That doesnt' mean because i don't care for BOS doesn't mean i don't see why people like it. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 24, 2017 11:02:21 GMT -6
Outside of BWP fandom who actually cares or mentions BOS. Who has brought it up in any mention outside of BWP. BOS just isnt a big enough film to warrant a new cut. Sure maybe some day itll get released on blu but i doubt its going to become a revered film. It has its fans but most horror fans dont care for it and if they liked it i doubt people outside of the very hardcore will pick it up I've seen several people who actually prefer Book of Shadows over the first film. They call the first film an overrated, boring mess in which nothing happens and something about the shaky camera work making them sick. Then they usually go on to say how Book of Shadows is a huge improvement and is "actually watchable." Personally, I love both and think they're great. You can never predict what'll happen. "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" was universally reviled for a long time, but now enough time has passed that people are finally starting to warm up to it and say "Okay, it isn't THAT bad." The more time that goes by the more fans it has. All kinds of obscure movies from decades ago which everyone forgot about if they ever heard of them at all get Blu-Ray releases. Many DVD/Blu-Ray labels like Scream Factory, Kino Lorber, Synapse Films, Severin, Code Red, Arrow, etc., specialize in these kinds of releases. I don't see why Book of Shadows can't get a release if all those other movies can. I hope it does someday. It would be great if Lionsgate would give Scream Factory or someone else the rights to Blair Witch 2. They did release the Psycho remake on Blu-Ray which I think it's safe to say is equally as hated as Book of Shadows, so there's always hope. Yeah you never know what'll happen. I'm just thinking after 16 years I feel the film has the same feeling as before. I want as much BWP out there as there can be but i'm a realist when it comes to releases of films. Who knows maybe its on the docket to be done in the future! Halloween III i can see that, but also it was always part (so to speak) of a larger franchise and it got a bad rap and mainly because of the lack of Michael Myers. I've always liked it and i didn't like it because of the title but because I think its a great movie. |
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 24, 2017 11:03:30 GMT -6
And for the record, I may think BOS is a bad film but I have talked to people who work with and know people at Scream Factory and Lionsgate will not license the film to them. Trust me i've tried for both BWP and BOS over the last year or so and so far no go. Maybe in the future but now, doesn't look good.
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 24, 2017 12:42:58 GMT -6
You're right about that, Lionsgate does not sublicense their titles. It'd be great if they did, I think Scream Factory would do an amazing job with BoS and most likely would restore and include the DC (they did terrific editions for far worse films).
I think the only chance of BoS getting a release is the Vestron line. They're specialized in B horror films from the past and have access to Lionsgate's horror catalogue. And if you check what they've released so far, there are far worse films than BoS, like CHUD II.
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 24, 2017 15:54:27 GMT -6
You're right about that, Lionsgate does not sublicense their titles. It'd be great if they did, I think Scream Factory would do an amazing job with BoS and most likely would restore and include the DC (they did terrific editions for far worse films). I think the only chance of BoS getting a release is the Vestron line. They're specialized in B horror films from the past and have access to Lionsgate's horror catalogue. And if you check what they've released so far, there are far worse films than BoS, like CHUD II. Yeah i wasn't trying to be an ass about it but i've seen it for years. Sure fans want new editions of films but a company that would need to spends hundreds of thousands to produce a new product would need that if not more in return. Now who's to say it costs that much but to pay Berlinger to do it, plus what else would you do? A doc? You're not gonna get Jeff but maybe a few cast members? CHUD II to me has a following, people seem to have an attachment to it for some reason. That doesn't mean its good but go to a horror convention and say CHUD II or BOS, many more people will pick CHUD II, there's just something about it. I think BOS is just there, it came and went. But what makes it good? what puts it in the "so bad its good" category? To me there's nothing that makes it stand out. Like i stated above, to me, its a conventional take on an unconventional film, it was trying to catch lightning in a bottle a second time. I'll knock the film day and not but not anyone's liking of it, we all have different tastes. I'd rather someone celebrate the film rather than keep hoping for something that may not happen if that makes sense. To me, BWP is a film that turns 20 in 2 years, and trust me, there's a lot that hasn't been told or seen by people and its a story that needs told. Maybe BOS would have some quick interviews or featurettes but thinking from a return on investment standpoint would it be enough? Maybe they'll package it with another film and add something but a full blown Scream Factory like release, even on Vestron I've never pegged it for that considering both companies do great with what they release. Only the future knows. |
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Post by agentsamstanley on Aug 24, 2017 17:27:31 GMT -6
BoS is not in the "so bad it's good" category because the fans don't look at the film that way. They don't appreciate it for its cheesiness, they actually consider it a good film. CHUD II on the other hand can only be appreciated that way, there's no way you can take that film seriously. So while both films are largely considered bad but have their cult followings, I think they're in very different categories.
And so far the Vestron releases seem to be more in line with films like CHUD II, trashy films from the 80's with a cult following, so probably there will be many releases in that category before a movie like BoS might be considered. But give it time and BW 2 might get its turn.
I didn't realize BWP turned 20 in 2 years, time really flies. I hope they're considering some kind of anniversary release with a freshly made documentary and some new extras. The movie changed the horror genre in many ways and needs to be celebrated. I have the Artisan DVD that was released back in the day. I haven't seen it in a long time (I hardly watch DVDs anymore) but I remember it had some cool extras. Did they produced new extras for the Bluray or they just ported over what was on the DVD?
Oh, and trust me, Berlinger is the one who wants his DC released more than anyone in the world, I'm sure he would do it basically for free.
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Post by Monrozombi on Aug 24, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -6
BoS is not in the "so bad it's good" category because the fans don't look at the film that way. They don't appreciate it for its cheesiness, they actually consider it a good film. CHUD II on the other hand can only be appreciated that way, there's no way you can take that film seriously. So while both films are largely considered bad but have their cult followings, I think they're in very different categories. And so far the Vestron releases seem to be more in line with films like CHUD II, trashy films from the 80's with a cult following, so probably there will be many releases in that category before a movie like BoS might be considered. But give it time and BW 2 might get its turn. I didn't realize BWP turned 20 in 2 years, time really flies. I hope they're considering some kind of anniversary release with a freshly made documentary and some new extras. The movie changed the horror genre in many ways and needs to be celebrated. I have the Artisan DVD that was released back in the day. I haven't seen it in a long time (I hardly watch DVDs anymore) but I remember it had some cool extras. Did they produced new extras for the Bluray or they just ported over what was on the DVD? Oh, and trust me, Berlinger is the one who wants his DC released more than anyone in the world, I'm sure he would do it basically for free. They definitely are in diff categories but are both "bad" films depending on who you talk to and how you view them. Again, this is just my opinion and a counter point: I don't think BOS has a cult following. Cult would entail it being this big underground non-mainstream film. I think it has a fanbase of people who like it. When i think cult, i think of screenings of a film happening like say Night of the Creeps, to me thats a cult film, not well known outside horror but revered and celebrated. I don't see that with BOS but that doesn't mean don't like it. I'm sure Berlinger will do it but not for free lol, he should get paid but will he? I mean 17 years is a long time to get water under the bridge so who knows. Full disclosure: i wanted the film to be good and build on the first and to me, it didn't. It took everything that was special about the film and put every trope, cliche and formula missing from the first film and inserted them. For me, BWP is not a franchise film, it stands best on its own. That doesn't mean a good film or companion piece wouldn't be welcomed as long as care is taken. The BWP blu ray from 09 was a port of the dvd w/ 3 other alt endings they shot in 99 but thats it. I'm working on something BWP related w/ help w/ the Haxan cast and crew but haven't made a public announcement of what it is, still working on it and I want it to be farther along but I think and hope that BWP fans would welcome it because its from a fan perspective and being dealt with love and care that i feel fans would appreciate. |
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