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Post by EllysOwl on Feb 25, 2009 21:09:43 GMT -6
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Post by Tweek on Feb 25, 2009 21:22:41 GMT -6
Very sad. This sort of thing happens way too often.
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Post by EllysOwl on Feb 26, 2009 17:57:10 GMT -6
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 2, 2009 16:33:52 GMT -6
This is breaking news: NFL players lost at sea CLEARWATER, Florida (AFP) – Three National Football League players remained missing on Monday off the western Florida coast after a member of their fishing party was recovered by the US Coast Guard.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090302/ts_alt_afp/amfootnflraidersboatingsearch_20090302205056Update: They were never found. I won't comment anymore except that this is very sad and my heart goes out to their families.
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 3, 2009 19:14:40 GMT -6
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 10, 2009 22:10:10 GMT -6
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 11, 2009 9:11:05 GMT -6
Just wait until the gun confiscations and fema camp round ups begin.
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 11, 2009 12:52:57 GMT -6
Yeah lol, but no need to worry our good friend Alex Jones will be at the front of the line with his trusty bullhorn to save us all. Well after we hand him over some cash for his bumper stickers, shirts & DVDs of course.
Anyways it is sad to see all this happening but I don't see it as a sign of the times. Things like this have been happening for; well for forever. People have always been violent throughout history. With good comes evil.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 11, 2009 13:23:56 GMT -6
Yeah lol, but no need to worry our good friend Alex Jones will be at the front of the line with his trusty bullhorn to save us all. Well after we hand him over some cash for his bumper stickers, shirts & DVDs of course. Of course. But what he says isn't exactly bull%^&* though even if he's full of it.
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 11, 2009 14:01:28 GMT -6
Well I'd say 98% of it is all BS. But I know there is some truth to what he says and he does talk about important issues but he mixes it with his fear mongering. In the end it's all a conspiracy theory and Alex Jones & other CT's disguise it as reality to sell their merchandise & various public appearances. Alex Jones seems to get all worked up & jumps to conclusions as if everything is some sort of sinister plot to take over the world. Hell just listen to his December 31, 1999 broadcast. Almost all the time he shows you a piece of paper which he has printed off the internet. Which most of the time is just a cover page he shows & when he refers to parts of the document he only states what will make his story believable. He doesn't give the full story & exaggerates. One example is of a document about prisoners who have been convicted in court to work on military bases or do labor for the military. The way Alex Jones spun the story is that the military had authority to round up civilians and use them as labor workers. Because the document included words like labor and civilians I'm assuming people bought his nonsense. As well he'll refer you to a youtube video. A YOUTUBE VIDEO!!!! That's his proof to back up a claim. He often reports on things that have already been reported on by someone else and then puts a sinister plot behind it and claims he was the first to report it. He then rants about what this could mean or what that could be used for. He constantly claims he gets death threats but shows no proof of this. Wouldn't he make these public to prove his point. His answer to the NWO is to spread the word. Well what happens after that? He never gives you any real answer on how to fight this. It's all just ranting and raving and buy this & buy that to help fight the NWO; which is a major red flag right there as proof to what he's really doing. He never shows any definite proof for his claims, they are just assumptions & yet all his followers claim he does show proof & that he is always right. It's mind boggling how these people can be so deceived when they claim to be free thinkers. Though most of the fema camp stuff is nonsense. That conspiracy has been around since the mid 60's and was popular in the late 60's, early 70's when Nixon was in office, but instead it was the long haired hippies ranting and raving about being put into camps. They saw documents and flyers about these camps. They even had locations of these places just as the CT's do now. What ever happened to those places? Why aren't they ever mentioned anymore. They were just as convinced as today's CT's that these places existed within these locations. Just within the millenium with Alex Jones and that stupid youtube video about Beech Grove did fema become part of the conspiracy. These so called "already exsisting camps" have been debunked numberous times, including the Beech Grove video & now with the building of some for disaster relief you have the CT's & Alex Jones using this as proof of their conspiracy & claiming this isn't what they are really for. Sure they could be used for detaining people should something major happen besides a disaster but so can any place. The most logical thing is that they are being used exactly what they claim they are using them for. CT's made a big deal about fema not doing enough during Hurricane Katrina & then when they prepare for another disaster which is inevitable they claim it's a sinister plot. You just can't win with these people. When you assume the government is inherently "evil" you will assume anything it does is being done for "evil" purposes. The very existence of the FEMA Death Camp mythology is a great example of what happens when unadulterated hate displaces reason and logic. Whatever those believe about this NWO stuff there isn't much proof; mostly just assumptions, truth stretching & flat out lies. Then all this stuff with hidden messages as proof, with messages being on money, the denver airport & what not is absolutely ridiculous. CT's & followers contradict themselves constantly to prove their points. These CT's have stretched the truth in what these symbols & quotes really represent & someone with no knowledge on the subject buys into it and therefore it becomes all the proof in their eyes & is all the proof they need that there's a sinister plot against them. Whether it be the illuminati or the elite. If it's with Jews running the world; I'm sure they might but no where is there proof or any logic behind a sinister plot to reduce the population or have us as some sort of slaves as Alex Jones claims. Hell if they wanted the average person as slaves they've already got us. And everyone uses this out-of-context Bush Sr. quote as evidence of this NWO. Hell if CT's are using that as evidence they sure as hell have no idea what he was really refering to & I'm sure as hell not going to take them seriously when it's clear they don't know what they are talking about lol. NWO when used by someone in power or if it's mentioned in the MSM it doesn't represent the sinister plot to control the world as all CT's see it & even use it as proof. The true definition is simply what it implies. A change within the order of which the world works, a new order in global polictics. Alex Jones for the most part is a fear monger in it for the money. He finds some truth and stretches it until it's something sinister that will fit into this conspiracy. Ever listen to him go off when someone calls in and questions him. Him & his followers make half-ass videos with eerie music playing in the background for the added effect. These videos on youtube are ridiculous as well as Alex Jones' videos. They're just him in the streets yelling until the cops finally tell him to leave after numberous warnings, which he then turns around and claims it's because the US is a Police State. If this were true he wouldn't be able to do the things he does in public, though he makes it look like he's not able to. The rest of his movies are just news clipping followed by him & others ranting & raving about what could happen & how it's all part of the sinister plot for world domination; with the eerie music playing in the background. Everyone claims he gives away videos for free & what not but of course he does. That's the way it works when you want to market yourself. Get your name out there & people will be more than happy to eventually hand over their money to support you in your cause; especially if you're on their side & if it involves the things Alex Jones claims. Playing to the woos is an excellent way to make money - they will believe whatever you tell them as long as it confirms what they already want to believe. They'll lap up whatever you sell them as long as its among the same lines. And anytime your sales are lagging, claim a government conspiracy against you and they'll buy more. He's become absolutely rich off the stupidity of others without having to do much work beyond rant and rave. If you go up to someone and tell them that the government or someone is trying to kill you & your family, show them what looks like proof & then tell them that they can help them if they buy what you have for sale of course they will. Just like sex, fear sells. Ask anyone why he has all this merchandise if he's just trying to spread the truth & you'll get, it's to cover the cost of the movies & what he does. I ask, What cost? You can buy DVDs & cases at wholesale for next to nothing to distribute these movies. He may even have a distributor, which if that's the case he spends nothing & just gets a profit in return for every DVD sold. I can take a camera, a mic with no money and walk around and make better movies than the half-ass videos Alex Jones makes. He then turns around and sells these crappy videos at ridiculous prices. Oh but wait he has special offers like 3 for X amount of dollars; usually excessively high, which when looked at are excellent deals which you just can't pass up . I know people who have spent hundreds of dollars on his crappy DVDs. Anyone who looks up Alex Jones' history can see what he's really about. He's no different than these so called "pychics" who pray on the gullable & weak minded. And the internet; especially youtube; is fuel for his fire. Now with his new Obama video I'm sure he's going to make more than enough to cover the production cost. I've heard people swear by it that this whole NWO is going to go down 50 different ways. And each small group swears by it. Whether it be by Project Blue Beam or the collapse of the economy or in 2012. They all even rant and rave about flouride, aspartame, chemtrails, contaminated food, and the list goes on. If all this was occuring we wouldn't live past 30. And almost all these people relate this nonsense with religion & 2012 which apparently is when all this goes down since it didn't in 2000. So who is Alex Jones? A very very crafty man who knows how to play on the paranoia and fear of people with little hope or lives. He knows his target audience and whether Alex Jones believes in what he says is debatable but it just seems that Alex Jones wants a revolution with him as the leader. He will then go down in history as a patriot. When it comes to the world & when I listen to Alex Jones & the MSM, I take what I hear and I look at what is occuring & I don't dismiss anything but I apply logic & common sense. Unlike all these followers on youtube & message boards they take what they hear as absolute proof & they claim others are sheep or asleep or they don't do their own research if they don't believe what the CT's are claiming. When at the same time they are the true definition of a sheep when it comes to following every word Alex Jones says without them doing research themselves. They aren't the true conspiracy theoriests, they aren't free thinkers as they claim. They are gullable, weak minded individuals just following the heard with what ever Alex Jones spews out. These people can't wait for any dooms day scenario to play out, but if it really happens they'll be praying that it ends because it won't be like the movies. They won't be able to plant their little gardens full of seeds they bought online. They follow Alex Jones & eat up every word he says & some how these people think they are going to be immune to what will happen because they knew about it in advance. Remember do reasearch on both sides of the story, don't take someones word for it. Don't buy into the videos; especially the ones all over youtube and infowars or prisonplanets which are most likely purposely lying & stretching the truth to manipulate you so you'll hand them over money. Alex Jones is what he claims he is against. And when you break it down these followers are people who listen to CT's like Alex Jones, watch youtube videos and do research by taking 10 minutes to look up information on sites that are devoted to subjects like chemtrails. And of course when doing research they only visit the sites that are claiming these things are real and that they are really happening. They never research the opposing side. Then after the youtube videos, the 10 minutes of research they are suddenly experts on the subject. Well after this long post my point is think for yourself, do research & always apply logic & common sense & look at history. If half of this stuff is true there were plenty of opportunities for them to occur; especially within the economy & yet they never did. If it's so easy for them to collapse the economy then why didn't they do it decades ago & leave it how it was during the Great Depression if that was one of their overall goals? Why didn't they make the economy any worse if they want everyone in poverty? Why is it taking so long for this NWO to occur? Why didn't the NWO start in the late 80's & early 90's with the crash of '87 & when the major recession occured? Every CT claimed it was going down then. There were even hundreds of books published about this; which saw the 80's at the height of this conspiracy. The CT used the book 1984 as proof of how it was going to happen & that is was happening then. Even Alex Jones has used this book as reference. It's as if this book if the NWO bible. And what about the economy in the rest of the world in developed countries. The Canadian Banks all posted profits in each quarter over the last year. And if these people control everything and those in power are just puppets for their overall plan then why didn't they just take over during WWII when Hitler was in power. Wasn't Hitler doing the very thing that "they" wanted done. Conpspiracies make people feel like they are on the inside, like they know what's going on & what will happen. It gives them a sense of security that everything is controlled. That nothing happens by chance. Once one is determined to believe this stuff there is no turning back. If you give them evidence which make them question the validity of their claims, they run as fast as they can back to the CT world and immerses themselves even deeper. They never think rationally and never apply logic or common sense. Carl Sagan's quote "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe" This NWO conspiracy has been around for decades. It seems since the 80's with these books being published & then with the invention of the internet; & with 9/11 & Alex Jones; conspiracies have been a hot topic in North American culture and has been able to spread quickly & will continue to with more accusations & future events being applied to the conspiracy when another fails to occur. Everyone will believe what they want to believe & there's no changing that. Once you're set on believing something not much changes in their thought process & to them things only get worse. They even begin to see things shape up within the world that aren't happening; except within their eyes. Debunking and facts are irrelevent to them. If you give them information to debunk their claim or point them to someone who is an expert on the subject it's always; "of course they would say that, they're in on it". There seems to be a lot of people in on it. To come to the truth when it comes to Alex Jones' & other CT claims the best way to find the truth is to debunk the claims. EDIT: Sorry for the extremely long post or rant, lol, which is way off topic when it comes to the original post.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 12, 2009 12:49:55 GMT -6
Yes and you're ranting about something YOU brought up.
Believe what there's proof in. Not the people who tell you there's proof.
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 12, 2009 13:07:31 GMT -6
Oh I know I brought it up. I guess I shouldn't have as it wasn't necessary. I guess I was just ranting to myself somewhat. It really wasn't aimed at you or anyone on this board even though it probably came off that way. So I apologize for that.
The only reason I wrote it is because yesterday some guy was going on about Alex Jones & this whole NWO stuff claiming it was happening now & how we had to preapre, to me & a few of my friends. I guess I was just in the moment as this whole conspiracy stuff just seems ridiculous to me & completely absurd without any logic, rationality or an ounce of common sense.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 12, 2009 14:28:21 GMT -6
Then quite frankly they're morons because all of his movies are free online....
He even says torrent them, copy them, youtube them...
Just search youtube, you'll find them all there, plus Obama deception is already on there I saw it earlier today...
While I agree it's a lot of paranoia and fear mongering... like everything Bush ever did... however...
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 12, 2009 15:59:30 GMT -6
I do know they are online for free just as almost every movie can be found through torrents but people are still buying his DVDs just as people still go out and purchase DVDs & CDs. His first movies were given away for free to get his name out but I'm sure if he knew about the torrents for his latest movie he wouldn't be as happy about it being spread around for free, but then I could be wrong.
About it all proceeding I don't really believe this. The CT's have been saying it's going down over decades (I've been able to track it as far back as the 60's) in various different ways & it never has. The evidence CT's use as their proof isn't much but assumptions & exaggerations of the truth or even flat out lies. At times it's all an illusion of sorts to make people believe what they say is really happening. For example the document about the criminals being used for labor within the military and how Alex Jones spun the story. There's many other examples as well which can be found online & by one doing research for themselves. They all make it seem like everything that is happening or will happen is some sort of sinister plot towards their goal and if you look at it that way then it's exactly what it becomes within peoples eyes. These things really aren't unfolding in front of use; CT's just make it seem as if they are.
To really know what truth there is to the conspiracy you have to track it back to it's roots and realize where each part of the conspiracy started. People have been claiming this is going down within their present decade and using their so called "proof" as evidence to back up their claims, which they swear by just as CT's & followers do today. To a lot of people this NWO stuff is new to them thanks to Alex Jones & films which people come across thanks to youtube, torrents, google video, etc. so they believe that it just originated which gets them believing it. They fail to realize this nonsense has been around for quite sometime.
Though I would never rule out that there are people that probably do want a one world goverment & it may eventually happen. Though it would only be to benefit themselves financially, not because of the nonsense Alex Jones rambles on about with fema camps, etc.
I can not understand why people believe that stuff. The one world goverment stuff makes sense logically but the rest of it is absurd. There is absolutely no proof that these "exsisting camps" are out there & the ones being built could also be used for detaining people at times rather than for natural disasters; including civil unrest, illegal immigrants, over populated prisons, etc.
Another example of Alex Jones minipulating the truth is with the bill for the new fema centers, within it, it mentions: "to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security." He claims this really means to round people up to have them put into these camps to have them killed or make them work as slaves of some sort.
But what he fails to mention and people fail to realize that "to meet other appropriate needs" is a clause included in nearly every piece of legislation because it is the ONLY WAY the bureaucracy has legal authority to do anything besides the explicit and narrowly defined language of the bill. In cases like this, it would, for example, be used to set up how the bureaucracy evaluates the centers and form plans to shuttle evacuees to them - even though this is not provided for in the bill. It doesn't allow anyone to do anything that isn't directly related to carrying out the bill.
Here we have the government trying to be proactive and ensure another Katrina-esque debacle does not occur, and the CT's take and run with it and claim its going to be used to round people up and put them in prison camps.
If someone looks at the past when it comes to this conspiracy, looks at how it originated & how long it's been around and does their own research they will see that it's all an illusion to disguise the truth to fit to a conspiracy in order for CT's to sell their books, DVDs, shirts, public appearances, etc.
To be honest at one point I actually did believe all this & believed everything Alex Jones was telling me until I decided to look further into it & realized how ridiculous this all really was & now I see no logic behind any of it. He is very good at what he does, he makes everything look believable; especially if you have no advanced knowledge about what he is refering to. To me, of course it was all proceeding and unfolding exactly how I thought it would. And why is that? Because as I came to find out through doing my own research that Alex Jones was manipulating almost everything he said to fit into his claims on this conspiracy & making things sound worse than they really are, to make it seem like things were going as plan for this NWO. He has been claiming this fema stuff for quite some time now and claiming martial law is coming very soon and that the US is a police state. Well it's been over 10 years now since he first started claiming this & still nothing has happened. For as long as he's around & other CT's are around and there are paranoid people thinking someones out to get them this conspiracy will be around and these people will continue to get rich.
This is just what I've come to find within doing my own research but I very well could be wrong.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 13, 2009 10:08:00 GMT -6
The N.A.U. is real, so are the camps. The camps are for us, not Mexicans or they'd be filled to capacity when they're all empty and fully staffed.
It's like I said, don't believe one person, believe the facts you find. so Alex Jones is a moot point. I listen to him but every time he goes off on some crazy "fake" rant or starts goin' on about how Jesus is our savior I tune the frak out. Also when he hocks some gold guy as if anyone can afford that crap anymore.
BTW, aren't you Canadian?
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 13, 2009 13:06:05 GMT -6
Well these "exsisting camps" are not real & have been debunked numberous times including that ridiculous Beech Grove youtube video. They are however building ones for disaster relief as mentioned & I stated the NEW centers COULD be used for other things rather than disaster relief. Not these so called "existing camps".
What proof is there that there are existing empty camps waiting to be filled other than the ridiculous Beech Groove video, hearsay, Alex Jones & the few websites that mention this crap. Sorry but those are not proof enough for me. And what proof is there that these new centers being built are being used for what these CT's & Alex Jones claim?
I am Canadian but I do have family in the US which I do visit frequently and if the N.A.U. is real it does effect Canada so why are there not camps set up across Canada & Mexico. Was the E.U. a sinsister plot as well? If so why were there not camps set up across Europe & why are there not now? The only logical reason for the E.U is because it may only be for creating a one world goverment or for financial gain. Unlikely but plausible.
What logic is there behind any of this US camp nonsense. So a group of people whether it be masons, the illuminati or the elite want to control the world and start a NWO so they are going to either use these camps to detain anyone opposed to their ideas or use it to kill most of the US population. And yet all of this camp stuff is ONLY in the US? If their overall plan is to rule the world as they see fit they are just going to come right out and do it; first within the US, while to rest of the world just sits by and waits for their turn? So if something like this was real there wouldn't be any objection except within the US? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? It just shows how self centered these CT's and people within North America really are. Over the course of history things have changed and NWO's have occurred and will continue to occurr, just not in the way these CT's claim.
Also this conspiracy has been around for decades with the same old nonsense with the same old proof, just using different scenarios using the current state of the country & it has never happened. Up until the fall of the Soviet Union it played a major role & was basically the center to this conspiracy. So what's so different this time? Why is it going to happen for real this time around?
Probably because you have people like Alex Jones, George Noory, David Ike spewing this nonsense to make money along with the major success of youtube. It's really not happening now, it just seems like it is because of the above mentioned. As well because of the above mentioned the conspiracy has found a new audience and has become popular again. It was at its peak in the 80's and has resurfaced. Period.
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 13, 2009 14:40:11 GMT -6
Bra, you're freakin' out....
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Post by horror4ever on Mar 13, 2009 15:19:04 GMT -6
You're right I am lol. I must sound like some sort of wacko. I think it's time I lay off on all this conspiracy stuff.
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 15, 2009 10:03:18 GMT -6
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Post by Tweek on Mar 16, 2009 18:34:14 GMT -6
What were we talking about again? I'm lost.
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 17, 2009 15:19:01 GMT -6
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 18, 2009 15:13:51 GMT -6
Official confirmation has not been issued but apparently Natasha Richardson has been declared braindead and was pulled off life support. Her family is by her side in her final moments. news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090317/en_top_eo/104810She was in the movie Parent Trap with Lindsay Lohan.
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Post by Heather, taking a piss. on Mar 18, 2009 17:31:41 GMT -6
I just read about this and it's tragic. Reading they decided to pull her off, you can imagine her serious condition.
I'm sorry.
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Post by EllysOwl on Mar 19, 2009 16:56:29 GMT -6
Yes, G D'Mor, it is tragic and sad. And you see, something like this can happen to anyone of us. Our hearts go out to her children and family and friends that she leaves behind. Natasha has touched many lives! Meryl Streep : "Tash was the warm sun in the center of a large constellation of family, friends, all of those lucky enough to know her - she is irreplaceable in our lives; she gave us so much, so generously - her legacy is the love that connects us all." Mia Farrow : "Natasha is irreplaceable. I cannot think of anyone kinder, more generous, thoughtful, smarter or more fun. She is the godmother of two of my children. The Neesons and Vanessa [Redgrave, Richardson's mother] have always made me feel a part of their wonderful family. My thoughts and prayers are with them." Jodie Foster , costar in 1994's Nell, where Richardson and Liam Neeson met: "Natasha was brilliant, beautiful, funny, talented beyond measure, as emotionally raw as she was razor sharp. ... May Liam, her beautiful boys and her loving family hold her close as they move through this tragic moment." Director Sam Mendes: "Natasha combined the best of Redgrave and Richardson: the enormous depth and emotional force of a great actor on the one hand, and the intelligence and objectivity of a great director on the other. She was one of a kind, a magnificent actress. She was also an amazing mother, a loyal friend, and the greatest and most generous host you could ever hope to meet. It defies belief that this gifted, brave, tenacious, wonderful woman is gone."
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Post by Anarchist86ed on Mar 20, 2009 8:26:50 GMT -6
I know it's terrible for the family and all, but things like this happen to countless people every day.
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