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Post by LunaSea on Jun 9, 2003 7:42:25 GMT -6
Tweek Quote: What is your view on Elly, based on the evidence you've seen and read? Could the Blair villagers have killed an innocent woman and unknowingly brought the dark power of the woods upon them all? Or was Miss Kedward a servant of the devil, and even now is taking revenge from beyond the grave?
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Post by Marcel on Jun 9, 2003 7:45:13 GMT -6
Not before she was banished from Blair, but later, sure.  But that`s just my viewpoint on it ...  |
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Post by Tweek on Jun 10, 2003 10:43:16 GMT -6
Nope. She was a victim of the power that resides in the woods.
That's how I see it...
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Post by LunaSea on Jun 10, 2003 12:51:38 GMT -6
I would love to hear a little more of your theory, Tweek.....because the more I hear about those woods and how the local tribes saw them as being cursed.....I think you may be close to something. Maybe something evil resides in the woods and feeds off and absorbs anger, hatred and injustice. Elly was hauled out there to die.....an innocent victim of fear and superstition. So, did Elly become part of the power already in place and is she using that power for revenge? Or is the power using her to manifest itself? ...thanks. |
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Post by Tweek on Jun 10, 2003 19:36:21 GMT -6
Maybe the Trial Of Elly Kedward thing will clear all this up?  |
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Post by LunaSea on Jun 10, 2003 19:47:14 GMT -6
Maybe....maybe........ ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by Tweek on Jul 4, 2003 18:36:01 GMT -6
Only three votes in this poll? Are there no other opinions?
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Robyn
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Post by Robyn on Jul 9, 2003 4:57:12 GMT -6
Hmmmmm.....was she? what do u guys think determines the title 'witch'? if u want to think servant of the devil then look at the trials if u want to think lonely old woman whom people could easily pick on then thats the easy answer. But if u want to look at someone who works within nature and trys to get by in life with Natures help......then you'll have to ask Elly just cos we're givin a differant title dosent mean we're differant "We still have to eat, shit and sleep like the rest of you. We just look good doing it." - guess who ? ? ? |
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Post by Tweek on Jul 9, 2003 6:54:12 GMT -6
It depends on how you define the term. In the time period that Kedward lived, any beliefs that were different from the majority would be considered "witchcraft". To the people of Blair she certainly was one. But by modern standards perhaps not. I am admittedly ignorant on the subject of Wicca and only know what I've seen in movies. So I don't have a good answer for this question...
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Post by EllysOwl on Sept 6, 2003 15:59:28 GMT -6
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Post by ellysaid on Sept 16, 2003 7:37:56 GMT -6
Maybe the Trial Of Elly Kedward thing will clear all this up? yea obviously the trial didnt clear it up, but I agree with Tweek, i think they just banished her all for the wrong reasons so when she was out there in the black hills dying, she must have made like a relationship with the woods, sounds crazy, but hey, look at Parr. So i believe its the woods taking control. |
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Post by EllysOwl on Sept 16, 2003 9:36:42 GMT -6
That's a good idea. I need to read up more on Elly Kedward because I don't know much about her. What do we know? The story goes that she was "bleeding some children in Blair". She was pricking their fingers for blood. Why would she do that? Was it to use the blood to cast a spell, like for instance, to summon the devil? or was it to gather blood samples of the children for the purpose of conducting an experiment? Soon after they banish (or kill) Elly, the town's children start to disappear and soon afterwards, the townspeople all leave Blair. Why did they disappear and why did everyone leave? Could it be that there was a plaque in the town and the children and people were dying and Elly knew and was trying to find a cure to the epidemic before it was too late? And that's what got her in trouble in the first place? Well, maybe, and then, like Ellysaid said...the woods took control. |
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Post by LunaSea on Sept 16, 2003 19:32:23 GMT -6
I agree - as I have said before. I think there's something big and bad in those woods and Elly's torment and anger at being falsely persecuted and banished fed and became a part of what was already there. The Native Americans knew something was in those woods way before Elly Kedward came to Blair from Ireland. I think that "something" in those woods feeds on anger, fear and confusion. And it uses people as its pawns to do its bidding.
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wanga
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Post by wanga on Oct 2, 2003 6:18:44 GMT -6
I was supprised at the poll and peoples posts here- The evil in the woods is debateable, but the bloody PC games dont help matters as the stories they show are not part of the legend and that is where Heacaitomix came from. If this was part of the legend then Lazarus would appear somewhere becuase of his connection to events. The woods being evil is a good theory but surely we have to realise that all of these bad things started after the bannishment of elly, perhaps her spirit corrupted the natural ballance of good and evil in the woods, pehaps it is just ellys evil that is to blame- in these cases i think a link to the devil is too easy an answer and does not fit with the pagan and spiritual mythos that is alltogether deffinately non christian. In woodwitch said we are told elly spoke to Malvey and all the ajor events surround a sighting or story of her. The hysteria shown in BW2 gives us a new question on people painting themselves into the mythos but even so thi obsession may just be elly's way of controling and chanelling her evil to others. I just dont see how in any case we can think elly is innocent of all charges
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Post by Andrea on Oct 2, 2003 15:20:28 GMT -6
i think, miss kedward was a real witch! In her lifetime she was a "good" witch and after her banish a "bad" witch...
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Post by EllysOwl on Oct 4, 2003 23:11:15 GMT -6
Yeah! She's a bad witch! And look what she did to Heather, Mike and poor Joshie!!  9 years later and we still haven't found them!!  |
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Post by widdershinswiccan on Oct 8, 2003 17:43:56 GMT -6
Elly was not a bad witch in my opinion. 2 many people take the title witch evilly but it actually means :wise one" and "seer" and "nature child" Isn't any1 here Wiccan like me???
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wanga
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Post by wanga on Oct 9, 2003 9:01:11 GMT -6
The term "witch" i agree is a misleading term- but for different reasons.
In the time of Elly the term witch was used to mean a servant of the devil. The christian church has always seen anyone worshipping a diferent god and practising magic as evil and either possessed by the devil or actually working willingly for him. The question is really was elly a paganistic witch who simply embraced a different religous outlook or was she a willing servant of the devil, or a demon herself. I believe that she was an evil woman by her own choosing or that she was a demon, but a servant of the devil in either case. I dont believe all witches and wiccans are evil, but our present day acceptance of witches in general comes out of the new religion of wiccanism witch did not exist as it does today in the past. The magiks practised by witches today were set down by therir kin in the past and i believe this power and magic is based in nature, but can be used to corrupt as it is basically the interfereance with the natural ballance, hense widdershins as punishment.
Witch craft today is still seen by the christian church as a form of devil worship as they believe this is where the power comes from- i dont believe this is necessarily true but does make sense in the christian doctrine. The wiccan belief system is not based on the old practises of witchcraft but on the old pagan religions. The evil implicit in witchcraft is based on a dark force we do not know the origin of. The two (wiccanism and witchcraft) are used interchangably by everyone based on the connotations of the word by two different interpretations when in actual fact they are very seperate and differetn in their intentions, but remember- power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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widdershinswiccan
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Post by widdershinswiccan on Oct 9, 2003 9:27:08 GMT -6
wicca is not a new religion it has been around even longer than Christianity. When christianity came around they were threatened by the other religon so they mad epple fear it. no offence or anything
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wanga
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Post by wanga on Oct 9, 2003 9:42:48 GMT -6
wiccanism is a not anew religion, true, it is merely the new name and incarnation- it is based on the anciant pagan religions. There is no historical refference to wiccanism
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Post by widdershinswiccan on Oct 9, 2003 9:52:32 GMT -6
ok i agree with you there.. |
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Post by Robyn on Oct 10, 2003 13:59:47 GMT -6
I totally agree with Wanga and Widdershins Witch  especially the latter i know exactly how u feel! Blessed Be |
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Post by EllysOwl on Oct 13, 2003 17:10:18 GMT -6
Well, I agree that she turned into a bad witch!  |
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Post by spiritwoman on Nov 22, 2003 18:49:34 GMT -6
I believe Elly was in trouble the first time she stepped foot in Birkettsville..Being from Ireland, her language drawl would alert any of them back then..Her life style was different in Ireland and coming in a small community like this would drawl attention..As for drawing blood from children. would give her power if she was from the old black witch religion that was going rampent in England back then..She may have exscaped Ireland to end up being killed..I know some Native American religion and i do know they do not like noone messing around with their dead and would kill anyone who stepped foot on hollow ground..I don't think the woods is haunted but only haunted by those who practice the black religion there...I would like to see that old book dated back to 1809 that is a journal of Blair back then..As for Blair now, I believe that they posted that lie to keep people out of their county and community...Wheres the real truth here?
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Post by moonwolf on Dec 2, 2003 18:35:24 GMT -6
i beleve elly was a pray to something else in the woods that was already there elly was just made a scape goat
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